Disclaimer: I need to research this more: re-read Steven Forrest and Jeff Greene’s books on Pluto and go through Dr. Tarnas’ Cosmo and Psyche. And it would help to get data on divorce rates. But I thought I’d just put down a few of my thoughts about my cohort: The Pluto in Libra generation. These are just my thoughts and speculations.
Do you have Pluto in Libra: Pluto moved into Libra on 6 Oct 1971 and stayed there till 5 Nov 1983. But it retrograded into Virgo from 18 April 1972 till 30 July 1972.
Saturn in Libra: The last two years have been, um, interesting for this generation. Saturn moved into Libra on 30 Oct 2009 and has been on a slow and excruciating transit through the sign of marriage. With our Pluto there, this is not an easy transit to ignore. I’m sure we all have stories to tell. And now Saturn is almost gone, almost done but not quite. It stationed on the last degree of Libra and is retrograde again. In an interesting synchronicity, I got a phone call just as I started writing this. It was from a friend who’s into astrology and whose marriage has become intolerable. I told her that the current retrograde is a time of revision and when it stations and goes direct, decisions will be made. Relationships may end or you may decide to not end them: either ways, this is a time for choices.
Pluto in Libra: How’s your experience been? I see only devastation and transformation when it comes to marriages of people my age: divorces and despair. Or separations contemplated but not executed. Or, for a few lucky ones, a second marriage and happiness or a new relationship and happiness or sometimes, just being single after a marriage or just being single. Either ways marriage and intimate relationships are a big issue for this cohort and an area where they face intense trauma. Case in point: I thought of writing this post after reading “Why I’m Not Married” by Melanie Curtin.
It used to be so simple, you know? You got married, had kids, you stayed married. I know there were exceptions, but this was pretty much the model for many, many generations before us. It wasn’t important if you were happy in your marriage or if you needs were met or if you had found your other half. You grew up, you got married and if you were happy, God bless you; and if you weren’t, then, well, that wasn’t the point.
And then were born all the little ones with Pluto in Libra with an intense desire to mate, to know someone, to see and be seen in soul nakedness by the other. These little ones who grew up wanting to matter deeply to someone and wanting someone to matter deeply to them. Born with Pluto’s keen gaze turned on relationship dynamics: on fairness, equality, the truth. Steven Forrest says Pluto’s position talks about the place where we are wounded, where we are silent. But he adds this is also the place where, when we heal, we have a great gift for others and for ourselves.
I think the house position of Pluto in your chart is very important. And if Libra is your seventh house cusp or if you have Pluto in the seventh, the stamp of this planet on your intimate relationships is going to be that much stronger. You’ll see the drama of this energy play our strongly in your life. You’ll also attract Plutonians if you have this chart signature. It won’t be easy but you’ll need and want that intensity and you’ll get it, too.
But this rather brief post is about anyone who has Pluto in Libra. I also noticed an interesting subgroup of people born toward the end of 1982 with Saturn conjunct Pluto to whom this might doubly apply. I’m reminded of Eric Clapton’s Layla: Brought me to my knees… This is how I see us, brought to our knees by our intimate relationships, our need for such relationships, our issues around such relationships.
I don’t know how it’ll end for us and I don’t know how we’ll end up. But just as Pluto is the place of our wounding, this will also be the place where we will bring healing. Where we’ll tell truths others haven’t told, where we’ll face the darkness that lurks in all intimate relationships and then bring that darkness into the open, into the light: to be seen, to be understood, to be worked with and healed. We’ll leave our stamp on the evolution of relationships and how they are understood as we either stand here like Atlas groaning under a heavy weight or march along with a slow but steady pace towards truth, toward healing.



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(living happily ever after)
Exactly, ma belle!
I can relate to everything being said in this post, my experience of love has been one of ever constant turbulence.
Hello Neeti
plus i will be leaping into my 2nd saturn (in scorpio) return when this Libra retro is over ! can you talk a little about the neptune in libra generation and this Saturn in Libra party
!! thanks Neeti and be well !!
my ex..is almost 20 years younger..Pluto in Libra..in the seventh , Uranus is there also..(pluto is conjunct my son, so oh yes the desire for intense plutonians for him,aries ascendant helping of course) we have been in a 7 year relationship more like a seesaw..well he broke it off last fall on my return from a holiday with my daughter…he was with someone else a week later..but he never stopped pursuing me..he broke it off with the other girl after 3 months ..and pursuing me still……libra is my fifth house..i have a venus in libra in 4th, i forgive easily or compromise and hate controversy…and neptune in libra (my 5th) for my generation….i’m tired just thinking about this retrograde
Is the divorce rate that high in India now?
There was a time when it was practically unheard of. And that time was not so long ago, either! But there’s more of it now but I’m guessing the figures are not as high as they are in the west.
Neeti
How I love your new posts! I’ve been reading regularly since we started discussing and discussing and discussing astrology and I love how confident you are now. Hope to see you soon – it’s been too long and so many different things happening all at once – I’m not a fan of bloody Pluto or Neptune, come to think of it.
Hope we catch up soon! Love, your friend with far too many planets in the Eighth and a stellium in Virgo ; )
Hi Fey, what a sweet note, thank you! I’ve been studying on and off with Dawn Bodrogi and Michael O’Reilly. And since the evening of Neptune ingress into Pisces, I’ve been listening to Steven Forrest’s recorded lectures. Love them!
I must confess though, I cannot tell who you are because of the nickname used here! Memory getting rusty!
Hello Neeti,
I’ve observed that it’s been particularly rough on the early Pluto in Libras as well – they’re dealing with Uranus in Aries opposite natal Pluto on top experiencing of a simultaneus Pluto Square – fun times. Even couples that have been together a looong time (10, 15, + years) abruptly breaking it off and going their own way now…I expect to hear more of this as the Pluto-Uranus square becomes exact within the next few years…One thing is for sure -for this group these transits are certainly a vehicle for the Plutonian promise of transformation within relationships.
Hi A: you’re right, those outer planets sure have been applying pressure. And the Neptune ingress is going to affect the early mutuables. Like me for instance!
Oh dear! I am that person with Saturn conj Pluto (2 deg orb) in the seventh in Libra!
Eye-opener article. Just that it has made me see me, so I am a little overwhelmed to find myself mapped out so honestly here!
So, would it be better if I spend my whole life being single? At least that way, I won’t hurt or get hurt …
Hi Yay, that’s intense for sure. Saturn is also karma and learning in a good way. I’m guessing with these two heavy-weights there, this is an intense area of life for you.
Perhaps you could write or share about this subset.
Thanks, Neeti, for a much needed initial study on the subject.
I am of the Pluto in Leo generation (married 39 years) – I don’t know if it was easier for us…But I have one daughter born under Pluto in Libra (so I do watch this one) and another born under Pluto in Scorpio…
Please keep up the researches, and I hope you’ll be able to do a follow-up blog some day.
Love
Lana
Hi Lana, thank you very much for your kind feedback. I’m hoping that others will look at the numbers and write more definitively about this placement. ‘Cause that Pluto square sure is kicking our behind, not to mention the Saturn transit that we all lived through
I have some Pluto in Scorpio friends and if you have any insights about this generational group, please do share!
Thanks Neeti
I will let you know about Pluto in Scorpio relationships, when I get the insights. One thing about Pluto in the signs is that it takes a long sweep of time to get the insights!
My youngest daughter was born with Pluto at 0 degrees Scorpio as Pluto was exactly opposite my Ascendant, a tough birth, but she is training as a Psychiatrist now (Sun in Scorpio), so I expect insights any time now.
Love
Lana
Research shows that in America the divorce rate for Gen X (Pluto in Libra) is lower than that of the Baby Boomers who are their parents. 50% of Baby Boomer marriages ended in divorce. 77% of couples who married since 1990 are still married. In fact, divorce rates in America are at their lowest rate in 40 years. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4sH36ZYWsg
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303544604576430341393583056.html
http://www.kmov.com/video/featured-videos/Saying-no-to-divorce—Divorce-rates-are-down-thanks-to-Generation-X-125485628.html
I have Pluto at 1 Libra by the way — I feel I gotta represent my peeps!
Oh– I’m in contact with practically my whole graduating class, all with Pluto at 1 Libra and Uranus in Libra and Saturn in Gemini. And there have been more babies being born than marriages ending. More marriages beginning. It hasn’t been a time of ending at all for this class of 0-2 Libras as far as I can tell.
http://www.divorcemag.com/statistics/statsUS.shtml
The divorce rate in 2005 (per 1,000 people) was 3.6 — the lowest rate since 1970, and down from 4.2 in 2000 and from 4.7 in 1990. (The peak was at 5.3 in 1981, according to the Associated Press.)
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wow, this hits the nail on the head for me! i have pluto in libra in the 9th, opposing my sun. kind of makes me realize why this doesn’t seem to apply to my boyfriend so much, he’s got pluto in virgo and acts differently. though strangely enough, he has libra in his 7th house, and pluto in his 7th as well.
Yes Pluto in Libra want “soul nakedness” but don’t as well. It’s all about giving Libra choice which is good and bad. P in L always see the grass is greener on the other side. Once they make a decision they will sabotage (subtle) all other choices so they can say that was the best they could do. This is no matter where Libra falls in the chart, whether it be 1st or the 12 or any other house. At least it is for me.
What do you think Neeti
On a side note, the Pluto in Libra generation seems totally incompatible with Pluto in Scorpio generation as far as romantic relationships go. Perhaps due to bad aspects, but from my experience, the former are extremely inconsistent, unreliable, emotionally unavailable, and possibly into mind games. They may do well in relationships, but probably only with one another. I almost always attract people from this group and despite how charming they are in the beginning (always evokes the “too good to be true” feeling), they consistently inspire intense frustration and anger inside due to their fickle self-absorbed ways. “Subtle sabotage” is the perfect term. But don’t dare express to them how much they are pissing you off because then they’ll just causally pretend that you’re the one who is crazy. They may even be willing to talk to you again after you’ve cooled down and act as if nothing ever happened, meanwhile continuing on with the same behavior. It sucks to generalize but I’m thinking of avoiding this generation for anything more than a casual association.
So let me get this straight, everyone born from 1970 to 1984 is “inconsistent, unreliable, emotionally unavailable, into mind games, fickle, and self absorbed” ?? And it’s because of their Pluto in Libra placement? If you are having this experience, I would look at my own chart rather than ascribe characteristics to the 51 million men and women born just in the USA during Pluto in Libra!
No not everyone. But I think the more Libra influences one has in their chart, the more the Pluto in Libra will worsen the qualities I mentioned. Sorry to generalize.
The easiest way to have a relationship with Pluto in Libra. Is to remember even they don’t know what they want. Its not that they are emotionally unavailable. Its just that they are very good at internalising their emotions. They’ve been hurt so many times (whether real or imagined–to them its real anyway) that they’ve gotten very good at not showing emotions.
The ones with strong water or mutable predominance can be into mind games but that is just because they’ve haven’t developed emotional distance as armour.
As for being inconsistent you are right and wrong at the same time. It may seem that way to you Cause P in S knows (soul-deep what is right and wrong) Whereas P in L think about it. Remember Libra is an air sign its a thinking cerebral sign and it can’t make a choice. Libra is big on justice, fair-mindedness and hence takes them a long long long time to say yes or no. They also live a lot in their own head.
Now what I do know about water signs (both parents are water 1ex bf is water many friends are water) is that they are very manipulative. And are happy to play mind games. And you’re always the crazy one.
Also P in Libra are a bit of a chameleon so when in an intimate relationship they tend to copy the partner their with.
Just a suggestion get you close friends/relo’s to answer a question do they think you play games.
On the other hand, that Neptune in Capricorn generation– every single one of them a materialistic, moneygrubbing, consumerist, status-seeking, unspiritual nightmare!
Pluto, even in modern astrology, much of which I find to be of dubious efficacy, is just not a relationship planet. As a generational marker, it could signify a generation whose mission is to bring balance, fairness, and justice to society perhaps. (Just as the Pluto in Leo generation’s mission was to break free of rigid social collectivism and assert individuality, and the Pluto in Scorpio generation’s mission is to self-obsess and underhandedly scheme for power.) But I wouldn’t go beyond that into the world of love.
Katie Holmes has Pluto at 18 Libra. So it looks like her decision to divorce Tom must have to do with how she felt last year when Saturn went conjunct her Pluto. Pluto is also the ruler of her Venus, her Uranus, and her natal 4th House. Her 7th house cusp is Aquarius, which is ruled by her Uranus in Scorpio in her 4th house. Spouse is a unique and unusual, but controlling person?
You missed the biggie OWS “Born with Pluto’s keen gaze turned on relationship dynamics: on fairness, equality, the truth.”
I have an intense and wonderful connection with a man I first befriended then it turned romantic. It’s a long distance relationship, and that’s working really well for us right now. One interesting conjunction (of seven) that we have is as follows. His Pluto is in Libra in the 12th house. My sun is in Virgo in the 8th house. He’s younger than me and I’m delighted with him unconditionally. To me, the Pluto in Libra generation folks are transforming everything in a human’s life on a global scale. Especially around connection, relationships, and how we look at love.
Hi Linda, thank you for sharing that.
ur readings are nice…but i want to know that what effect would occure when venus sattern and pluto conjuction in libra in 7th house which is in my natal chart .
Great article. It’s the best explanation I’ve heard for this placement and I can validate it with my experience.
I have natal Pluto-conjunct-Venus in the 8th and am undergoing an exact transiting Pluto-conjunct-Venus square from the 12th.
I am realizing through this awful process that our Pluto in Libra generation (and especially those with aspects like mine) has the burden of exposing abusive relationships. We are bringing the dark, hidden crap to the surface so it can be dispersed and disempowered. And releasing/annihilating those relationships from our lives. Intensity in a relationship is great; but when it turn septic it’s about surviving as a person and not as a pair.